“Ah, look on. Ah as I said you can hear from my sort of career history I'm ah I'm a serial builder of things and I um I just you know once you get to the point where ah, you're into that. Let's not call it business as usual, but where you're now in incremental growth as opposed to. Exponential growth. Um, you know that's when I yeah like to find new challenges. Um, and so I I left Judo just before the Ipo. Um and went up to.”