“Um, I mean I think it's pretty simple for me I mean as a young ah young person I think it was that first time that I ever put something together and then made a buck doing it whether that was a service or you know my first my first gig ride my bike to the train station and shining shoes. So I think from the moment that I realized that I could be my own boss and I could come up with something and I could make a dollar doing it just felt good and I want to keep doing that.”