“And then I traded that tech up to a stake in a company that was founded by my two later cofounders in what eventually became Cape Copenhagen so they had ah back then game engines weren't ah common or free I had a game engine. They had some. Ah. Had a running business and we had ah a shared goal about wanting to build small games and and getting them in the hands of millions of people. So I traded some tech for for some equity in what was essentially a very small company at that point and then we grew that into a 45 person company. Ah, that mainly built games for others over the the following couple of years.”