“Yeah, I mean, I suppose there was like problem solving just in the day to day when you have that many animals, one one or more of them has always escaped. And so um there was some of that. But I think the problem solving, that's right. Everyone in my family was a bit surprised when I chose engineering as a major um because I had a lot of passion around literature and science and other other areas growing up. I think for me, though, that was an identity piece ah you know at 18 was that I really wanted to solve problems in the world. And I think I knew I was a builder.”