“And one of the best ways to come in contact with this knowledge is through learning the language. And so I did a very intensive study of Greek and Latin, did a a a bunch of study on a Greek poet called Pindar, and I think that's really stood me well. I mean, you can always go and become an engineer, learn the sort of principles of software engineering, pick those up pretty easily. It takes a lot of hard work, there's no question.”