“ah didn't end up winning the scholarship, but ah was at that point really emotionally committed to being there and so, ah because I had the opportunity to go I took it and ah really it was a was unbelievable academic community, but it also was a group of people that was similarly curious. It was a ah really special place to be to learn material science and to think about how data analytics could play a ah role in that space. and And believing at the time, I mean, now it's it's sort of common sense, but at the time that that materials informatics or or using data in materials was going to be a very um important technology.”