“Yeah, you know, at that at that time, I was at this relatively small company. um They were in the 20s and 30s while I was there. um I i was became the senior most person without an MBA or a PhD. So the writing was on the wall for me that I kind of ah probably hit the end of my time there. And I also realized you know I wanted to learn the business side of things. I learned the technology, um but I hadn't fully understood what it meant to take a technology to market. And so I applied to a few different programs, but so but ended up at Stanford for my MBA. um And you know it was it was ah being an engineer.”