“ah So this is just two out of many, many books. And like it helped me... like like try to build my own vision of the future. And and I have one important suggestion there, I think, and it relates to why we sold like visually, like basically my learning is that as a founder, as an entrepreneur, and I think also as a product manager in an enterprise, if you ask me, at least those that are bold and are building for for the future, I believe in ABZ planning.”