“Oh, that's good. I was the you know grown into ah or born into an a family very focused on education. As you mentioned, mike my dad was a professor born 1931, so he actually worked on developing the ARPANET and then his whole career was around information technology. He threw the first tech conference and I think I met Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos when I was 10 years old. um So I think that it was a really interesting environment and to grow up in that kind of put a ah big chip off my shoulder, made me made me want to do something big in the world. So that's kind of where it got started.”