“at one point it just kind of dawned on me that, hey, the computer must be doing something. And this was like early internet era when, as Steve said, there just really weren't resources or anything low level. So you kind of learn by doing and taking apart hardware and trying to figure out what happens. And as Steve said, the most exciting thing in our neighborhood at the time, and Denver is a very cool place now, it was not when we were there.”