“and some and did not really have any formal training there at all. And in fact, later on, before i when when I went to university, then struggled with whether I should even go study computer science or engineering and didn't do that ah initially. I won a bunch of prizes in a um German competition called Jugenforsch. Young people do research. I built an eye tracker in 1995, 96, putting a camera on the computer. It would film your face and figure out where you're looking and whatever.”