“Yeah. When I was at Rice, it was still punch card time. If you were going to do things, you know, programming computer architecture courses it was always build, you know, make a deck of punch cards, submit it, hang around, and wait till you got your job back. It was just at the end of grad school where I got to use mini computers where you could interact with them directly. There were also programmable calculators which were pretty powerful at the time. You could program those, and you could hook them up and do all this research. That was just fun stuff. It turned out to be really relevant to my career, so it was good stuff to learn.”