“I didn't really mean to, I had, you know, the company was also based in, in San Francisco, but I spent, I moved to Asia during that. It was 2008. There was a financial crisis. I got series A funding in Q4 2008. I think I'm the only one that did so. So it, uh, of any startup that I'm aware of, uh, the lights are on at the venture capital companies on Sand Hill road. The drinks were free in the fridge, but they weren't writing checks.”