“and um always taking the likes different lenses of different stakeholders and I think adopting that understanding what drives each stakeholder um and then of course providing the best advice to your client um has helped me understand a new set of information very quickly and and also has allowed me to understand what you need to do in order to scale a business of your own successfully, because I've seen it in so many different variations and different versions. um And I think that's a super valuable exercise to do for anyone really starting their career.”