“He's a super-intense guy, and clearly an intelligent, brilliant guy. He's a guy that despite maybe not having the sports or athletic gene, he has an incredible, insatiable desire to win and to be on top. I guess that probably would be my biggest takeaway. He was a few years older than me and it was my first experience not just building technology, but building product and building a company, and the desire to win, and this approach of how to build a company even though I'd say we differ on a bunch of aspects of how, but that was my takeaway. I left and went to go start my own company, and I've been doing that ever since.”