“Persistence ho to go about you know investor pitches and and that roller coaster of emotions to us a founder. How to think about spending your money and also how to think about creating a company that is revenue generating I think that that's quite the topic today given what's happening in the macro environment. And then also how he went with for example with he is say first company you know from losing money to just doing a couple of deals and having the company survive. So again, a bunch of good stuff. Very inspiring conversation I had so without further ado. Let's welcome our guest today Philip Inghelbrecht whow.”