“We in the U.S., and I look myself as a U.S. now, and I live here for 14 years or almost, we look at ah what happened in the U.S. as a way, as a references. Yes, you can be successful in other places. You can do it differently, but you have to have a strong success story here. And that's what I realized that um you got to be, you pacing yourself. Don't go too fast. Don't try to go to the big Marakea conference. Establish your success.”