“Well, yeah I think it was a testament to Mark Fleury's vision around the tech um and and and what the capability of the tech was and the power of the open source model. And then I think Red Hat really saw the opportunity to take that And I would i would would suggest that that was the early days in the very beginning of what a product-led growth model actually was, because of course they had REL and you know had done a phenomenal job making the ah the Linux operating model work at scale for enterprise applications, made the whole ecosystem work around it, were monetizing at scale.”