“Yes, so I was definitely also enjoying PlayStation at that time. The funny part of that story is, I got an offer as a computer programmer, and that was my first real professional experience actually getting to do what I had just done for fun in a real work environment and getting paid a lot more than my friends who were bagging groceries. The ironic thing was, I actually tried to get a job as a grocery bagger, and they wouldn’t hire me. So, somehow, they managed to hire me as a programmer, but I wasn’t good a bagging groceries, apparently.”