“I had a lot of relationships with people that were building a software infrastructure. I kind of always had an ah enthusiasm to build software. And so I started pulling together a bunch of the different components necessary to make a software infrastructure platform for voice over IP and internet television. And as I started to pull those things together, realized that um ah there's a you know real opportunity to to build a business. And so ah it was the first time that I was ah you know building a company on my own other than being 14 years old.”