“You know I think if you are an engineer by nature. You love puzzles and you love problems and then you like trying to find clever solutions to them so that's just something that I think has been part of my Dna. My dad literally is an engineer by background. So I think probably somewhere early I got into the the sort of fun of it. And then you know they're just bigger and bigger problems to solve whether they're technical you know on the engineering side or business problems.”