“Waterf fish get eaten by bigger fish and and Debris falls to the ground but the ecosystem itself remains very lively and I think that when you have kind of an experience like that where you're not getting the tremendous outcome you're getting some outcome but you meet a lot of people along the way you learn important. You learn what works What doesn't work that kind of ecosystem material to build your next startup and for me that was definitely kind of defining lessons saying okay I understand how the world works a little better than I did a few years ago and let me go at it again.”