“Ah, growing up I actually wanted to be a poet a tremendous pressure from my parents to become an engineer so I ended up being and ah being an engineer but loved computers I mean the first time I actually touched computers you really fell in love with them all always like. And just as a thought exercise to myself I keep when I even when I walk I look around stuff and say hey what if it could actually do it differently so in that sense problem solving has always been fun for me.”