“um pretty quickly realizing that token to ah talking to engineers is very, very different than talking to one another. So we hadn't done anything like that before. And what we experienced was that when talking if if you if you're not able to articulate what it is that you want to do, then you get exactly what you asked for, but not what you wanted. So we pretty much just crashed and burned that thing within a couple of years. But it was a very it was It was meaningful and we learned a lot and then I went to the IT university.”