Taher Elgamal on ah But we were you know more of product people. So so we de… “ah But we were you know more of product people. So so we decided, hey, let's spin this off. you know Crawl supported it. We raised some $35 million at the time. um And that was 2001. Not the easiest time to raise money.” Read the full interview with Taher Elgamal More from this interview“Uh, maybe lucky because, because my advisor was a famous guy and actually an awesome person. Um, and, and, you know, ah yeah that's how I learned about the U S because I came from Egypt, which is a v…”“It was incredible, I'll tell you, because I actually built the original prototype. There were only three of us, by the way. So I built the original prototype of of the product that we were building a…”“And I learned how to present to boards and, you know, things that you you only get that experience when when you're actually part of a startup. And I was very early, so you got to get that by default…”