“You need the Scar tissue to kind of get those lessons and those painful moments and ah sometimes especially for an intellectual founder or someone who's been an engineer, you need to put a different hat and be able to just punch through a wall Sometimes it is just about tenacity and the willingness to kind of. Figure out know that there's always a path.. There's always a solution to whatever sticky problem that you're in and your job is to go figure out what that is because it is always there. It's it's sitting in there waiting to be discovered.”