“Didn't want to be working on my own gig wanted to learn from others and so joined you know, initially a big company trying to go online and struggling with it and then later on a scaling saas startup. 1 of the biggest successes in New York tech history and I think actually all 3 of those things have helped me to level up watching great managers watching terrible managers watching politics watching aligning incentives and and and just learning as well. Academically I think it's all it all plays together in.”