“As a vp vp of sales just to feel the business more closely I felt that in engineering and in in tech in general in large corporations. You're not very close to the business. So when I went to that company started in sales and then I became Ceo of the company for for several years um it was definitely more about you know how? how an organization you know how cash flow profit and loss really works and this also gave me the push to to start my own thing to go more to to founding a new venture rather than being employed. In 1.”