“um these magazines with the program written on them. So you'd you have like 50 pages of computer code that you needed to type in to play a game. And so, you know, that was kind of my my introduction to to computers. And, you know, so that was kind of like, the you know, the early, early introduction and just kind of it was ah yeah a great way to start learning and and appreciate you know from the from the early days you know how all these pieces were coming together.”