“well i mean everything is marketing you know when i'm out pitching a company ah to raise money for it, I'm marketing. When I'm out ah hiring the management team to start a company, you know I'm pitching them on the idea. um In order to attract stakeholders to a startup, you you have to always be pitching. so um And I think you know that, and I think your audience knows that too. So marketing ah sales experience at Abbott, marketing experience was all incredibly formative for me in my early career.”