“Yeah, well look I was born and raised in Western Canada which is as far from the financial services and fintech world as as you can be I was supposed to grow up as an engineer and work in oil and gas and somehow got lost along the way. Um, you know I went to university in Eastern Canada and was fortunate enough to get a job in investment banking that led me to New York and had a great ah great but short career investment banking and then derivatives and. Then kind of that everything took place from there.”