“um I mean, you and then Ben Silverman from Pinterest, he was just on the other other side of the floor from us. So there was something in the in the in the water, Alejandro, at Google, right around 2009, 2010. And everyone thought, oh, I can leave Google and start a company and raise a few million dollars. And so I kind of wanted to really be a part of that movement as well. So I grabbed my my best friend from Microsoft and my lead engineer from YouTube, and the three of us co-founded a company called Sniply, which was rebuilding Google Reader after it had shut down.”