“a very good way into the job market. You could still figure out a little bit where you wanted to go. And I got kind of hooked on the risk management side of things. So I didn't plan on becoming a risk manager or someone who spends a lot of time and data. But this is where after like two years after the financial crisis, there was a lot of demand. And so I ended up at KPMG crunching some numbers for some banks in Germany. And so yeah, I think it was ah coincident at the same time but also lucky to go to be at the right time at the right place.”