“experience that helped a lot to shape your mind, to think also, to be prepared for other scenarios. But of course, it moves very slow. It was big banks we worked for. So still, this project took some time. We had impact, but at the end, also as a consultant, you usually leave after the implementation. So you don't really see it bearing fruits. So in that regard, I think it was good to train your brain to think in a certain way. And nowadays, I still think back a lot How did I approach it in a larger corporation? And got my own learnings out of it, but there was also a reason to leave at some point in time.”