“started exploding, it was, I think, the reopening of optimism and of access and scale. And I think what happened there is that you know Google was also you know it was founded by Google. a pair of super nerds who brought in all of their super nerd friends and hired and know did an amazing job hiring all these people from Bell Labs and from all these you you know deeply academic and deeply intellectual, but like very like software engineering, like purists in a way.”