“It was really nice to see and you really had to train different muscles when you build landing capabilities as well as risk management for early on startups. So when you do that, you have to think completely different because you don't have a big bank in the background and you We'll learn quickly that usually banks are paid first us and not fintechs these things. So when you just adjust the models that you have in banks, they don't work in fintech. So that was quite interesting. And that was a company focused on consumer. Afterwards, I went to a company that did similar things.”