“But more on the SME lending side, so slightly different again. They don't necessarily have as much data, but also very interesting. And Rocket Internet was the company that intubated. And after that company was sold to ING, I joined Rocket directly to build a venture debt fund that focused on refinancing fintings with lending operations, which was kind of closing the gap or the loop a little bit to also help provide the liquidity a lot of these learning fintechs have due diligence in what they do every day and it was quite easy once you have been on the other side beforehand to do the diligence so the other way around.”