“Um, and also if it was a little bit early, I would say, because you see now that similar business models are taking off or are quite successful. So overall, um, sometimes it's market timing, but also like for me afterwards, it was the point where I said, well, I might not want to do or found another company. Um, it took a lot of convincing from ah my mentor to say, Hey, um, let's, you should try it again.”